Ryusei Saegusa (Interview Part 1)

"I was reading about Edgar Cayce in order to understand what Mr. Haruchika Noguchi did."

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Profile:Born in Tokyo in 1954. Ryusei Saegusa overcame his physical weakness through practicing Noguchi Seitai (Noguchi-style manipulative bodywork) and a macrobiotic diet in his boyhood. He joined the parachute team of the Self-Defense Forces, then he became an apprentice of Haruchika Noguchi. In 1984, he started to teach independently.After that, he went abroad and taught Seitai as he was grouping for the best method.
In 2009, he established "Tenshin-kai" which teaches a method combining Noguchi Seitai, Aikido, and divination. He recently wrote a book "Saigo-ni Nokoruno-wa Karada-dake (only the body remains at last)" (Kodansha)
Website: www.aikido.co.jp


Naoko Mitsuda: In your book you said that you found out about Noguchi Seitai because of the disease you had when you were in junior high school. Can you tell us about your disease myasthenia, and what was your condition like?

Ryusei Saegusa: I was 13 years old, so the first grade in junior high. Suddenly, I became unable to hold a pencil. When I tried to take note of what was on the blackboard, I couldn't hold a pencil. I could walk, but couldn't hold things. The teachers thought I was just being lazy. I visited several hospitals but they couldn't tell what it was, so it was hard.

I guess I have concealed my memories of that period so I've been trying to remember since you asked me, but it's chaotic and I hardly remember the details. But I remember it was hard.

I was happy when I finally found out the name of the disease at Keio Hospital but shocked when they told me that I won't recover.

Everyone gets upset when we are told that "You have a cancer" at age 60, but when a teenager gets told that "You can live for four years maximum", it is very shocking.

M: It must have been hard for your parents too.

S: They are very interesting people in that they accepted and gave up straight away. I couldn't give up, but they soon did.

M: I suppose you found Noguchi Seitai because of your condition. How did it happen?

S: Actually I found out about Noguchi Seitai before the symptoms of myasthenia appeared. There was an unforgettable math teacher called Mr. Nishi. I used to want to become a scientist, so I was really into maths. And one time in his class, Mr. Nishi talked about the automatic movement exercise of Noguchi Seitai, which is called Katsugen Undo (regenerating movement exercise). He also told us about his experiences: "When my kneecap broke, it couldn't be cured by normal medicine but I went to Mr. Noguchi and he cured it. When I got a cancer I went to him and I recovered."

No one else believed in the class. But I thought this could be true, there could be "an amazing man who could win several Nobel prizes", as Mr. Nishi described.

So after that class, I went to the teachers' office and asked Mr. Nishi if the story was true. And he told me more about Mr. Noguchi and he taught me how to induce Katsugen Undo roughly.

M: So you found about it before you became sick. That was very meaningful when you think of how this information helped you. It seems that you were guided by something great...

S: Yes, that's right. But it was really sad when I became sick. When I was 13, I looked up in the night sky and thought to myself that "I have four more years to live. I'll be 17…". My parents could give up, but I couldn't.

M: But then you knew about Mr. Noguchi who could cure even cancer patients, and that's why you could have hope. It is amazing how things happened at the right timing.

S: That's true that if I didn't have that information the result might have been different. I could believe such unusual phenomena because I always thought that there must be mountain hermits, and there are things that are unimaginable existing in this world since I was little.

M: So were you interested in the invisible world since you were a child?

S: I totally was. I used to foretell earthquakes when I was in junior high school… You know a child who often gets sick has sensitivity. When I was a child, I was very thin and weak. I loved to draw. And my parents argued a lot so I used to wonder why I was born…

M: You mentioned in your book that since you started to practice Noguchi Seitai in your junior high school period, you became "a student who was only interested in people's backs". What were you looking for in backs?

S: Children often think that "We can't trust grown-ups". Often grown-ups pretend to like someone when they're in their presence, but say "I hate that person" when they're not around. So I was wondering what I could believe.

Then one day, Mr. Noguchi talked about our spines. He explained that people who have a misaligned lumber 3rd, which is located right behind our belly buttons tend to have twisted posture and that they can't pee straight. It curves to either side. After hearing this, I was standing in front of the public toilet by Mitaka station all day, with a packed lunch.

When you see a person with a twisted lumber 3rd, you can tell straight away by the way they walk, and the way they shake their shoulders. When I'd see such a person, I'd follow him into the toilet and watch the direction of his pee. In those days there weren't any side screened urinals, so I stood beside them pretending to pee. Like "There, it goes to the right". I realized that whatever people hide can be told by looking at their backs as I watched the direction of pee.

M: Would we be able to analyze others by looking at their backs, not only in toilets but in our ordinary lives to a certain extent?

S: We know, even without looking at our backs. I wrote about this in my book. We can tell if a person wants us to stay or wants us to leave soon by the way they serve a cup of tea. We're only hiding it from each other. With our words we hide our emotions. So I think "American Indians never lie, our back never lies, either", and I've been interested in our backs. It means that our backs tell us more about ourselves.

M: You've mentioned that the singer Taeko Onuki was your class mate in junior high school and you asked to touch her back.

S: Of course it was over the clothes. Public baths were the place to see men's backs. We had a custom of washing each other's backs so I watched as I washed. I was already thinking of making living out of doing Seitai.

M: But you joined the Self-Defense Forces after the high school, didn't you?

S: Well, it happened like this. When I finished high school and I was 18 years old, I became an apprentice of Ms. Hiroko Yamane who was a teacher of Noguchi Seitai. It was too intimidating to me to be a direct apprentice of Mr. Haruchika Noguchi because he was married to the daughter of Fumimaro Konoe (ex. Prime Minister) who was a close relative of the royal family. Also it was difficult financially to become an apprentice of his, so I asked to to be introduced to one of his apprentices, who were excellent. Then I was introduced Ms. Yamane, with whom I studied.

At that time I still had the symptoms of myasthenia, coming and going repeatedly. So I negotiated with Ms. Yamane to become an apprentice if she could treat me completely and as a result, I became an apprentice.

But when I overcome the sickness, it was boring. People who visited there were all sick people and I was still young then… So I asked Ms. Yamane to allow me to go out for a year and I joined the paratroopers which was said to be the hardest of the Self-Defense Forces. It was arranged for a year but I stayed for a year and three months and went back to Ms. Yamane.

However, two days before my return, Ms. Yamane became unconscious after having a subarachnoid hemorrhage. She became conscious after I went back but she was paralyzed on one side so I nursed her more than I studied from her.

Still, there was a huge amount of old materials of Mr. Noguchi's work so I could study the procedure of what he went through in order to reach his final method.

M: Have you ever been taught by Mr. Noguchi directly?

S: I have at seminars and monthly events… But Mr. Noguchi's Seitai technique is so skillful that all the apprentices get disappointed. It is impossible to imitate his moves since he does them so divinely.

M: So do you say that patients were cured by something other than his technique?

S: It was something other than technique. If I exaggerated, it was like the patients were working for Mr. Noguchi.

M: Was it like they were cured just by Mr. Noguchi's presence?

S: Yes, it was.

M: How old was Mr. Noguchi when he passed away?

S: He was 65 years old. Once I wrote on my blog about the cause of his death and critical comments poured in to the page. He died by subarachnoid hemorrhage. People who use finger tips to press hard receive a pressure at the back of their neck. I had similar experiences twice and they were deadly. So Seitai practitioners should protect ourselves by taking calcium and such. Noguchi Seitai uses the thumb to press with strength.


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by legacyofcayce | 2012-07-04 13:15 | Interview