Ryusei Saegusa (Interview Part 2)

Interview Part 1

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M: In places I'm mixing up the Noguchi Seitai (Noguchi-style manipulative body work) and Noguchi Taiso (Noguchi-style exercise). Could you tell us the difference between them?

S: There was an article in the Asahi newspaper called "Two Mr. Noguchies", stating that they were both very important. They are not related by marriage but they have the same surname and they worked at the same period by chance.

Mr. Haruchika Noguchi who created Noguchi Seitai, was one of the greatest physical thinkers of Japan. He established a unique Seitai method by combining eastern medicine of all ages with his own Seitai (body-conditioning) for conditioning the flow of energy, in order to awaken human's self-healing power. It is different from ordinary physical therapy such as "Seitai" or "manipulations".

The person who created Noguchi Taiso is called Mr. Michizo Noguchi. He taught physical exercise at Tokyo University of the Arts for a long time and he created "Noguchi Taiso" as a result of his research on physical performance. Apparently Mr. Ryuichi Sakamoto (musician) was taught Noguchi Taiso when he studied at the university. It is difficult to verbalize what Mr. Haruchika Noguchi did, but Noguchi Taiso can be explained to a certain extent and I think that is it's characteristic. I actually used to live near Mr. Michizo Noguchi so I had the honor of studying with him as well.

M: (whilst looking at materials written by Michizo Noguchi) These are very important reference materials.Ryusei Saegusa (Interview Part 2)_d0255328_1322943.jpg

S: In my life, things are happening the way I wanted them to when I was in junior high school.I have read Karl Marx, Kenji Miyazawa. But among all the books I've read, Mr. Haruchika Noguchi's philosophy was the most moving.

M: Were you asked to do Seitai by your friends when you were in high school?

S: I have been doing it since junior high school. I gave treatments to teachers as well.

M: Then your career as a Seitai practitioner must be for about 45 years.

S: In fact, I don't intend to cure the clients. I say this to my apprentices, that the intention of curing does not cure people. Just like when a person gets pushed they resist, if we try to cure they resist. There's always a cause of illnesses. It's possible for a client to be cured but they could die. Even when an operation is successfully done, the patient can still die.

I'd like to tell you about how I got into Edgar Cayce. When Mr. Haruchika Noguchi passed, I was not sure how to grope for the treatment. Mr. Noguchi also had a psychic ability. Had he not, it wouldn't have been possible to give such treatments. So I was reading about Edgar Cayce in order to understand what Mr. Noguchi did.

When we think of an old lady with a round back, when she dies her back stretches to her actual hight by itself without being pulled by others. If the back can stretch when one dies, it should be able to stretch while one's alive. But it's not so.

Humans die and become peaceful so we say "rest in peace". But when we're alive we cling onto our thoughts including delusions. I think that having a life with a body which is not trapped in any way is an object of practicing Noguchi Seitai.

In addition, "observations" come before "treatments". It can be said that when the observation is successful, the treatment will be successful. These days, people are trying to decompose and analyze genes and DNAs to know the nature of ourselves, but I think it is important to observe humans as a whole. Mr. Haruchika Noguchi was a wonderful observer.

M: You have mentioned about Edgar Cayce, can you tell us about how and when you found out about Cayce?

S: I was reading books about Cayce since I was in Junior high school. His face is like a holy man and when we read his biography, he is a man of pure honesty. I admire him and at the same time, I think it is so great that the U. S. accepted his ability and allowed his foundation to be established.
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M: I suppose there weren't many books about Cayce published when you were a junior high school student, were there?

S: I suppose not. But even then, Cayce was mentioned a lot in the conversations between people who were practicing Noguchi Seitai. I still haven't read that many books about Mr. Cayce, but I admired him.

M: It's great to hear that people who were practicing Noguchi Seitai read books about Cayce. By the way, do you apply any of Cayce's remedies?

S: One thing I'm sad about in eastern medicine is that we don't have any means of communication between different methods. Everyone seems to be so proud of their own methods and I don't think there are many people who try to connect to other practitioners or study other methods. For western medicine, they have meetings and exchange each others opinions and informations and study together. I do boxing, karate, judo and aikido, all of them. In all the martial arts I studied, I became a rank title holder. It's great to practice one method, but you can learn many things from practicing others. This is my theory.

I think that treatment methods are the same. One way of treatment and diet can only suit a particular person, so we need to seek and learn many other ways. Mr. Cayce, Mr. Haruchika Noguchi and Mr. Michizo Noguchi are doing different methods but they are all connected underneath as long as they work for humans. I've been thinking that learning other methods help me to understand my method deeper.

Also the method becomes more practical when you find it by your own trial and error rather than being taught to practice when you were told to press certain vertebrae in certain cases.

Let's go back to your question. What I learned from books about Cayce was the meditation. I still meditate every time before I give treatments.

That is because during the Seitai session, sometimes I say crazy things to the client out of the blue. But often these crazy things I say have an important meaning.

Mr. Haruchika Noguchi also said to a client during a session that "It's bad to not give money back to your grand mother. You should pay back what you owe". "You may not be able to see, but your grand mother is standing there". One time he asked another client that "Is your son in America feeling sick? Do you have a picture of him?" When the client passed him a picture, he rubbed over it and said "Call him and see how he's feeling". The client called and found out that their son was recovered…

M: Really? That's more or less a miracle. If that's what Mr. Noguchi was doing, Noguchi Seitai cannot be practiced with manuals or techniques.

S: I feel that Mr. Noguchi didn't need any of that but he left the "form of inducing" to dull apprentices. He was touching clients as a commemoration. As I mentioned earlier that, I am envious of America for being able to research such mysterious parts of Cayce's readings with an intelligence to establish a foundation.

M: It's been 70 yeas since his death and there is still new research on readings going on.

S: That is more interesting to me.

M: Now, in your book "Saigo-ni Nokoruno-wa Karada-dake (only the body remains at last)" you talk about "Curtain and Panty method". This was very interesting to me, can you explain about this?

S: I'll give you an example. One day, I had a client who was a lady in her 30s claiming she had a collagen disease. So I said to her "I assume that you don't have a driving license, do you? If you get it, you'll recover". Of course nobody would believe such a thing. Then I continued "But you have to get it without telling your husband. When you go to driving school, you must try hard to keep it secret from him". Later, she successfully passed the test and got the license. I then told her to go to the hospital for a check-up. She reported that the disease was gone. The point here is to do things without telling one's husband. I've used this kind of method a lot and it always worked.

The Curtain and Panty method is like this. Wearing sexy underwear like g-strings which makes you feel "too sexy", and going for hair-styling to a young male hair-stylist who's your type. You have to hide the sexy underwear from your husband when you go home. That's all you have to do. It's all about waring a little sexy underwear and go to get a hair cut. But only doing this can change your body.

(He continued to explain how this method works and how this makes people healthier, but apparently it will not work if the person knows the mechanism of it, so we keep it secret…)

M: Then what about the curtains?

S: Curtains have various qualities and high end can be very expensive. For example, if someone makes a large amount of money, they can indulge themselves by waring expensive cloths. But it's so obvious to neighbors that they're rich. So instead, they buy some high quality curtains and hang them in the room where they can't be seen from the outside. This changes their consciousness by knowing that something expensive is in the house, but nobody can see it.

M: So the key of this method is for curtains to be very high quality and expensive, and panties to be sexy and expensive.

S: When I was in high school, I was interested in women's physiology. So I asked my friend who was the son of an obstetrician, to take me to the room and let me go up on the childbirth table. I took off my pants, laid on the bed and put my legs on the leg rests, while a curtain covered my belly… I thought to myself "Do women really take this position?"

M: It is shocking, isn't it?


S: Yes, it is. And women wear sanitary napkins. I wondered what that's like. I don't have periods and there's no groove in front of my crotch but there is around the anus, so I wondered what would happen if I placed a sanitary napkin there. I spent a whole day waring a napkin at back of my crotch.

I was a high school student, so I was so embarrassed. I went to a barber because I wanted my hair style to be neat at least, but I was wearing a napkin on my anus. I was so afraid of having a traffic accident. If anyone took my trousers off, they'll find out that I was wearing a napkin. I didn't want anyone to think that I was a pervert. I was in a panic. Thus, it takes more energy to change something which can not be seen than that which can.

M: Did you discover the "Curtain and Panty method" from that experience in your high school period?

S: Yes. It was the Napkin affair.

M: (Laugh out loud) That's amazing that you've done such thing in your susceptible high school period…

S: I wore a disposable diaper to know how babies feel. In those days, there were no diapers for adults, so I cut baby size diapers and made a bigger one and tried it on.

M: That's quite an extreme for a high schooler to do… It's understandable for a grown-up to do it as a part of a profession, but you were just a high school student…

S: I think it was the era. By the way, when I was in high school I got sent references from the United Nations and wrote a report called "The Outlook on the End of the World". I included the CO2 issue, nuclear problem, over-population, and gene manipulation. I expressed that the world will be perilous around 2000. It was the era of the student movement, like the Yasuda Kodo incident. So most of the students were politically aware. We had to study for exams then but I hardly did because I thought it was more important to have research on the future of the earth. To the contrary, the public were on a spree of Expo.

Interview Part 3

by legacyofcayce | 2012-07-04 13:26 | Interview